tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11521363.post6649182553129057980..comments2023-09-23T10:21:15.319+01:00Comments on world debating website: The Adjudication Hall of Fame: Room of forgotten skills by OmarCchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02308771027417054757noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11521363.post-74518569726769821702010-05-07T15:43:35.246+01:002010-05-07T15:43:35.246+01:00thanks for the blog :)
by the way, are there adju...thanks for the blog :)<br /><br />by the way, are there adjudicators that adju the debaters depends on their debating society criteria? ( major or minor )<br />if it's in major , the debate will come up into different standarization, how poor we areenos lui udampohttp://udampoenos.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11521363.post-45154080473046926062010-04-20T14:04:54.072+01:002010-04-20T14:04:54.072+01:00This article was, indeed, written in respect of Al...This article was, indeed, written in respect of All-Asian 3-on-3 debate styles and in specific reference to what I do consider to be a parlous state in local competitions and in terms of adjudicator training in Malaysia. Moreover, this was pasted into a personal Facebook account, as mentioned by Colm, and has no pretentions at being in any way academic. Some people get spoiled adjudicating at WUPID (?) Clear enough?Omesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11521363.post-18665815073694571222010-04-18T23:31:09.884+01:002010-04-18T23:31:09.884+01:00That is a fair point, but it seems to me to be a m...That is a fair point, but it seems to me to be a more general tirade with particular emphasis on the neglect of manner in Asia. If Omar means his post to be a corrective to the particular problems he sees with Asian debating and adjudication, then all well and good. I have adjudicated Asian competitions and run training workshops in Asia (though not in India) and don't think adjudication is as parlous there as Omar makes out. But honest introspection within a debating community about how to improve standards is never a bad thing. Omar should just be clearer that this is what this is.Ivan Ah Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12034036923098426539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11521363.post-15589330237177179842010-04-16T18:35:28.655+01:002010-04-16T18:35:28.655+01:00Ivan, were these debates that you attended & r...Ivan, were these debates that you attended & referred to in the Asian 3-on-3 or BP Format? I think Omar wrote this piece with specific reference to the present state of Asian format debating and adjudication. <br /><br />On a personal level, from my experience at indian tournaments, Omar is pretty much (and unfortunately) bang on. This is a debating paradigm that is getting reinforced by both training and at tournaments, through similar adjudication, similar mistakes in that adjudication, leading to similarly boring styles of debating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11521363.post-29456972027331487072010-04-16T07:38:12.189+01:002010-04-16T07:38:12.189+01:00With all due respect to Omar, the only part of thi...With all due respect to Omar, the only part of this that is true in my experience of adjudicating in the last five years is the section on points of information. Even then, it is arguable that the expectation to take two points in a seven minute speech is unrealistic and the rule should change.<br /><br />Style, the dynamics of the debate and engagement beyond just the quantity of material have all featured prominently in panel discussions I've been involved in. This type of holistic adjudication, considering all elements of debating, is now the norm the world over with some regional variation as to emphasis. All the points Omar makes (aside from PsOI) are pretty much standard in pre-tournament adjudication briefings. And as far as I can tell, standards of adjudication are markedly better in terms of quality, objectivity and accountability than when I entered debating ten years ago.<br /><br />Of course, there will be some competitions that have shallow adjudication pools (and sometimes you'll be on the wrong end of a shafting), but to mistake these isolated data points for a trend is unfair almost to the point of tendentiousness. If I didn't know Omar better, I'd think he were deliberately making mischief.Ivan Ah Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12034036923098426539noreply@blogger.com